Notes: NOPP Meeting 9/21/00 MBARI
Attendees: Francisco Chavez, Robert Maffione, Yi Chao, Yuhe Song, Jim
McWilliams, Fei Chai, Gernot Friederich, Ken Johnson, John Kindle, Baldo
Marinovic, John Ryan, Jeff Paduan, Andrew De Vogelaere, Brian Schlining, Mario
Tamburri, Reiko Michisaki, Mike Matthews (email
addresses)
Agenda
- Discussion: Mission / Links with the MBNMS: Andrew De Vogelaere, Mario
Tamburri
- Discussion: Physical Modeling: Jim McWilliams, Jim Kindle, Yi Chao
- Discussion: Biological Modeling: Francisco Chavez, Fei Chai, Yuhe Song
- Discussion: Bio-optical Modeling: Robert Maffione
- Discussion: For coupled modeling, what temporal scale do we begin with
(seasonal, interannual)? Which modeling questions do we begin with?
- Discussion: Observations: Francisco Chavez, Reiko Michisaki, Jeff Paduan,
Gernot Friederich, Ken Johnson, Baldo Marinovic
- Discussion: Data Assimilation for Modeling
- MUSE II
Links with the MBNMS
Andrew DeVogelaere summarized the goals and roles of the MBNMS management and
how he expects this NOPP-funded research will benefit the Sanctuary. The
expected benefits include:
- Compilation of information
- Response to requests for information
- (Understanding) transport of introduced species
- Locating (defining) protected areas
- Ecological studies
- Prediction
It was agreed that these expectations are within the scope and time frame of
the proposed research . Mario Tamburri provided a summary of a recent MBNMS
workshop to develop priorities and approaches.
Physical Modeling
John Kindle summarized specifics of the nested modeling at NRL, including
resolutions and data assimilation. Jim McWilliams and Yi Chao summarized ROMS
nested modeling. The current resolution of the regional model of the eastern
North Pacific in ROMS is 5 km; the next step for this effort will be ~ 1km.
Vertical resolution is ~ 5 m, sufficient to resolve crucial processes and
variation in these waters. Synoptic realizations of model results show
remarkable consistency with circulation features observed in situ. Jim
McWilliams emphasized that simply due to the chaotic nature of circulation, we
cannot expect to compare specific synoptic realizations of model and
observations. That is, although the model may correctly represent the
characteristic processes and scales of the circulation, we cannot expect to
match model and observation exactly in space and time. Comparisons should focus
on statistics of model and observed fields, e.g. EOFs of time series.
Biological Modeling
Fei Chai summarized the 10-component ecosystem model developed for the
equatorial Pacific and the expected modifications for the study region,
including the addition of iron and oxygen. This model has been coupled to a
physical circulation model of the northeast Pacific (the region around Van
Couver Island). Coupling to ROMS is underway with Fei and Yi.
Bio-optical Modeling
Robert Maffione summarized fundamentals of radiative transfer relevant to the
coupled modeling and a specific approach for modeling the underwater light field
for physical and biological components. Robert considers spectral resolution, in
addition to depth resolution, to be very important and not too computationally
expensive. It was agreed that Robert and Francisco would provide the software
for spectrally resolved computations.
For all modeling efforts, accurate insolation is essential. Francisco
suggested use of the recently developed PAR product produced by the SeaWiFS
project. This would include the most important factor influencing incident
light: cloud cover. John Ryan will obtain and make available these PAR fields.
Data Needed
- Wind (Quick scatterometer)
- Tide (Spatial and time)
- Current
- Biogeochemical (any)
- Temperature and Salinity
- Sealevel (T/P)
- Surface currents (CODAR)
- PAR
Re: Model Structure
- Sediments
- Process below euphotic zone
- Zooplankton
- Carbon
- Oxygen
- Currency (carbon/chl ratio; N/chl ratios)
3 Year Data Assimilation Plan (Yi Chao)
- 2001: Develop an adjoint model for ROMS
- 2002: Testing ROMS and its adjoint for the Monterey Bay configuration
- 2003: Estimate parameters in the coupled physical-biogeochemical model
Proposed Meeting Schedule
- Monthly, if possible, via conference call.
- Once every six months with a subset of observational and modelers
- Once annually all partners, 2 day meeting
- Alternate meeting sites between LA and Monterey
Action Items
- John Ryan: Investigate SeaWiFS PAR
- Robert Maffione & Francisco Chavez: Develop code for modeling E &
E0
- All: re: NOPP web page (http://www.mbari.org/bog/NOPP), send URLs to reiko@mbari.org
- MBARI: Summarize expectations of all groups
Who will do what
The primary focus of the group will be around the ROMS physical model and the
ten component ecosystem model. A parallel effort will be carried on by John
Kindle and his group at NRL and what is learned as a result of the ROMS focus
will be incorporated into the Navy models. There are several ongoing ecosystem
model developments (UCLA, NCAR, NRL etc.) that will be considered during the
course of the grant. Given the first sentence these are the near term tasks for
each of the groups:
- The physical modelers (McWilliams, Chao) will develop a three component
(basin, regional, local) one-way nested model. They will develop means to
analyze lagrangian trajectories from model simulations. Questions and
comments: What are the resolutions of each domain? Where will the
simulations for this project be run (UCLA or JPL)? Is it possible to keep
the UCLA and JPL versions concurrent? During the October 5 conference call
we decided that tentative answers to these questions and task assignments
for the physical modeling would be circulated prior to the November 2
conference call. Based on this and other input the management office would
create a timeline with milestones. This would provide a means for gauging
progress.
- The assembly of atmospheric forcing fields for the physical models back to
1990 will be the responsibility of John Kindle and Yi Chao. Chao and Ryan
will work on QuickScat winds. Should there be a study of model output using
pre-COAMPS, COAMPS and Quick Scat winds? From October 5 conference call: The
pre-COAMPS fields include the NCEP re-analysis, Fleet numerical products and
in the future ECMWF re-analysis. These will drive the basin scale (always)
and regional and local models (pre 1998 for COAMPS, pre 1999 for QuickScat).
Uncertainties exist about buoyancy fluxes and relative humidity field data
will be investigated. The desire to recruit a meteorologist into the group
was expressed. Kindle will provide a short summary prior to November 2
conference call. MBARI will explore the best insolation/irradiance product
for driving heating and primary production in the model. Access to model
(i.e. COAMPS) data will be required. Also investigating NASA PAR products.
Comparisons between products and observations (moorings) will be made. Ryan
to report on progress on November 2.
- The ecosystem modelers (Chai, Barber, Chavez) will integrate the
10-component ecosystem model into ROAMS. The first effort was to integrate a
9-component model and CO2 will be added next since the code is there and
there is a large validation data set. Iron (Chavez, McWilliams) and oxygen (Chai)
will be added next. Bacteria and DOC will be considered at a later date.
Questions and comments: Will the ecosystem model be in all of the model
domains? From October 5 conference call: Eventually the ecosystem model will
run in all domains. The first exercise will be to incorporate the 10
component model into the regional domain to compare with UCLA simulations
using a simpler ecosystem. MBARI will provide an alkalinity salinity
relationship for the region for CO2 calculations. Further complexity will be
added to the carbon chemistry at a later stage. Chai to provide update prior
to or on November 2.
- A subroutine will be developed by Maffione and Chavez that will take the
output from the ecosystem model and estimate net and scalar spectral
irradiance, and inherent optical properties in the water column. Net
spectral irradiance will be used to compute solar heating of the water
column, and spectral scalar irradiance will be used to compute primary
productivity rates. Maffione to provide update on November 2..
- Chao and Sung will develop data assimilation methods for physical (TOPEX,
SST, mooring T, S , u, v) and biological (ocean color, mooring chlorophyll,
backscatter, Ed, Lu) properties. Please give estimates as to when we will be
using data assimilation. Candidate to perform work identified and will
hopefully begin shortly. No tangible results expected in the first year.
- Validation of the simulations will require a joint effort. We will need to
decide (soon) what fields and statistics will be produced from the models
and observations. Paduan, McWilliams and Chai will lead validation of the
physical model, Chavez, Chai, Marinovic and Barber will lead validation of
the ecosystem model and Maffione and Chavez will lead validation of the
bio-optical model. Our first goal will be to produce a simulation of the
seasonal cycle for the Monterey Bay region. We will focus on the decade of
the 90’s given the available observations. After the seasonal cycle we
will work in two directions: a) smaller scales focusing on simulation of the
period of the MUSE experiment (August, 2000) and b) interannual variability
focusing on simulation of the 1997-98 El Niño and the 1999 La Niña. MBARI
will begin assembling monthly/seasonal statistics for the region. Will
assemble consistent fields for MB and CalCOFI. Ryan will report on progress
on November 2.
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Notes compiled by John Ryan, Reiko Michisaki (10/10/00)